The mystery of New York’s eternal flame: Baffled scientists admit they are unsure where the gas that keeps landmark burning comes from

truther May 15, 2013 1

For years, scientists thought that the eternal flame in New York was kept alight by gas produced by ancient, extremely hot rocks.

However, researchers from Indiana University have discovered that the rocks underneath the Chestnut Ridge County Park aren’t hot enough to produce this gas, which means another process is producing the gas that’s keeping the flame burning.

And they have not been able to identify exactly what the process is.

The mystery of New York's eternal flame Baffled scientists admit they are unsure  where the gas that keeps landmark burning comes from
The New York eternal flame is found in the Eternal Flame Falls, a small waterfall in the Shale Creek Preserve at the Chestnut Ridge Park. A small chamber under the waterfall produces natural gas, which keeps the flame alight. Researchers from Indiana University are unsure the source of this gas, after previous theories were disproved

WHAT CAUSES AN ETERNAL FLAME?

 

There are thousands of flames around the world that are able to burn constantly because of gas seeping through the soil, or because of man-made structures.

Some of the man-made flames are kept alight for religious reasons, others were lit in honour of famous people who had died, such as the eternal flame at the Kennedy memorial.

However, natural eternal flames, like the one in New York, are rare.

This is because natural eternal flames can only be kept alight by gas ‘macro seeps’.

Gas usually comes through soil, where bacteria eats the methane converts it into carbon dioxide.

Alternatively, gas comes out in a location where it disappears quickly, so can’t keep a lit flame burning.

In the case of the New York flame, a ‘macro seep’ of gas comes from a natural hollowed-out chamber.

Because the gas is contained and isn’t converted, the flame is kept alight eternally.

The eternal flame sits behind a waterfall in western New York.

It is said to have been lit thousands of years ago by Native Americans.

There are hundreds of ‘natural’ eternal flames around the world, and each one is thought to be kept alight by natural gas produced from the rocks beneath it.

The gas used to keep the flames burning is thought to come from ancient and extremely hot rocks called shale.

However, Arndt Schimmelmann and the researchers from Indiana University discovered that rocks beneath the flame in New York aren’t hot enough to produce this reaction.

Schimmelmann told OurAmazingPlanet that the rocks were only the temperature of a ‘cup of tea’.

Plus, the shale isn’t as old as first expected.

Both of these factors mean that the shale beneath the New York flame couldn’t be creating gas in the same way as other flames around the world.

And the researchers admitted they are unsure exactly how the New York gas is being produced.

Researchers took several measurements of the eternal flame in New York, including the amount of gas it produced.Researchers from Indiana University took several measurements of the eternal flame in New York. By measuring the size of the flame, the researchers were able to determine how much gas it needed to burn

Although there are thousands of eternal flames around the world, many are man-made for religious purposes or in honour of famous people who have died, such as President Kennedy at the Kennedy Memorial. Although there are thousands of eternal flames around the world, many are man-made for religious purposes or in honour of famous people who have died, such as President Kennedy at the Kennedy Memorial. However, natural occurring flames are rare because the gas and flame need to live in a specific environment to make sure the gas isn’t burnt away or destroyed, and the flame doesn’t go out

Schimmelmann said: ‘We think there’s a different pathway of gas generation in this location and that there probably is elsewhere as well.

‘If that’s true, and gas is naturally produced this way in other locations, we have much more shale-gas resources than we thought,” he added.

The temperatures, said to be near the boiling point of water or hotter, break down the carbon molecules in the shale and this reaction gives off a natural gas.

Schimmelmann and his colleague Maria Mastalerz made the discovery as they were studying the amount of methane that is produced by the ground along the east coast of America. The eternal flame in New York was said to have been lit thousands of years ago by Native Americans and has been kept alight by naturally formed gas.

The eternal flame in New York was said to have been lit thousands of years ago by Native Americans and has been kept alight by naturally formed gas. Yet researchers from Indiana University have since discovered that the way the gas is produced is different to what was first thought and are unsure of the source

This geologic map of western New York State and north-western Pennsylvania shows the locations of eternal flames at Chestnut Ridge County Park and Clarington

This geologic map of western New York State and north-western Pennsylvania shows the locations of eternal flames at Chestnut Ridge County Park and Clarington

They also looked at a ‘permanently burning pit’ in Cook Forest State Park in northwestern Pennsylvania, although this eternal flame is fuelled by an old gas well.

The team reported their findings in a study published in the May issue of the journal Marine and Petroleum Geology.

The researchers also discovered that the New York gas seep also features the highest concentration of ethane and propane of any seep in the world, according to the study.

There is also an eternal flame in Pennsylvania. This map shows the profile of gas flux measurements at the Pennsylvanian gas seep in, plus the 3D plots of methane flux distributionResearchers from Indiana University also studied the eternal flame in Pennsylvania. This map shows the profile of gas flux measurements at the Pennsylvanian gas seep in, plus the 3D plots of methane flux distribution

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  1. doesntmatter May 15, 2013 at 9:57 pm - Reply

    but scientists were creating genetically modified children with 3 different dna’s, at least 10yrs ago, and those children were a success….you mean to tell me they cant determine where a flame of fire is coming from o_o??

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